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…or “top ten slam-dunk refutations of Christianity”.

This page grew out of Ten Hard Questions (for Christians) and will likely be supplanted by a tiered list of questions/answers/subjects at some point.

1. Unfulfilled Messianic Prophecies

Jesus did not fulfill many of the messianic prophecies which were specifically given to the Jewish people (see Psa. 147:19-20 “19 He declares his word to Jacob, his statutes and rules[c] to Israel. 20 He has not dealt thus with any other nation; they do not know his rules.”).

The Jewish people were the witness nation chosen by God to receive prophets and to recognize “the messiah” to them whom he was sent. Therefore, a person claiming to be the messiah, who did not fulfill these messianic prophecies could not have been the messiah.

This is the primary reason why Jewish people reject Jesus as the messiah; it is not logically sound that God would send the messiah in such a way as to deceive the Jewish people; for “Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.” (Amos 3:7). The alternative is to assume God spoke capricously, falsely, or that he changed his mind – all of which are rejected on multiple grounds.

List of unfulfilled messianic prophecies

  • The In-gathering of the Exiles (ex. Ezekiel 37:22-23)
  • Building the third temple (ex. Ezekiel 37:24-28)
  • A Light to the Nations fulfillment (ex. Zechariah 8:20-23, Isaiah 2:2-3, Micah 4:1-2)
  • Universal Peace and Recognition of God (ex. Isaiah 2:4, Isaiah 11:9)
    • The Zechariah 9:9-10 prophecy, which was not fulfilled (The Romans destroyed the temple and scattered the Jewish people from Jerusalem)
    • Worldwide Knowledge of God; (ex. Jeremiah 31:34, Isaiah 11:9, Zechariah 14:9, Micah 4:5)

For an in-detail look at these and other prophecies please refer to Unfulfilled messianic prophecies.

2. God is not a man

The direct context of Isaiah 53:1 is Isaiah 52:10 in which the arm of the lord is said to be revealed to the nation of Israel, and is explained to be the way in which God revealed himself, to Israel, with a mighty and outstretched arm via the Exodus from Egypt:

  • “But I know that the king of Egypt will not let you go unless compelled by a mighty hand. So I will stretch out my hand and strike Egypt with all the wonders that I will do in it; after that he will let you go.”(Exodus 3:19-20)
  • But the Lord said to Moses, “Now you shall see what I will do to Pharaoh; for with a strong hand he will send them out, and with a strong hand he will drive them out of his land.” (Exodus 6:1)
  • “Say therefore to the people of Israel, ‘I am the Lord, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will deliver you from slavery to them, and I will redeem you with an outstretched arm and with great acts of judgment.” (Exodus 6:6)
  • “So the Lord brought us out of Egypt with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm, with great terror and with signs and wonders.” (Deuteronomy 26:8)
  • 10 “The Lord will lay bare his holy arm in the sight of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth will see the salvation of our God. …for the Lord will go before you, the God of Israel will be your rear guard.” (Isaiah 52:10-12)

It is therefore clear from these passages (not exhaustive) related to Isaiah 53 that the people to whom the arm of the lord has been revealed is the nation of Israel; further that the arm of the lord is not a person or a people but the acts of God.

This is further illustrated by contrasting Isaiah 53:1 with John 12:38. In John 12:38 the message is presented as “who has believed the report (of Jesus) because their eyes have been blinded…” yet this is a corrupted presentation of isaiah 53. The direct context again is that the kings of the nations of the world say “who could have believed the report we have received” – “our report” meaning the one they had received, not the one they had given. This is made abundantly clear with the verse directly prior which states in full context:

13 Behold, my servant shall prosper, he shall be exalted and lifted up, and shall be very high.

14 As many were astonished at him[b]— his appearance was so marred, beyond human semblance, and his form beyond that of the sons of men—

15 so shall he startle[c] many nations; kings shall shut their mouths because of him; for that which has not been told them they shall see, and that which they have not heard they shall understand.

53:1 Who has believed what we have heard? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? (RSV)

To further illustrate this we may bring three direct passages which state utterly and conclusively that God is not a man:

  • “God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should repent. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfil it?” Deuteronomy 23:19 (RSV)
  • And also the Glory of Israel will not lie or repent; for he is not a man, that he should repent.” (1 Samuel 15:29)

Now the contention is made that these passages merely state that God is not a man to the extent he has the capacity to err and yet he still may be a man – merely a sinless, righteous man (such as Jesus). We see from Hosea there is an opportunity cost with taking this position:

  • “I will not carry out my fierce anger, nor will I devastate Ephraim again. For I am God, and not a man; the Holy One among you. I will not come against their cities.” (Hosea 11:9)

It is abundantly clear that there is a problem with the idea that “God is a man” or a “person” in any capacity.

“Therefore watch yourselves very carefully. Since you saw no form on the day that the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire, beware lest you act corruptly by making a carved image for yourselves, in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female…Deuteronomy 4:14-15 (ESV)

It is a corruption of God's word to state that he is a man (or that Jesus is God). The very concept of an intercessor, as well, was destroyed on multiple levels during the story of the golden calf and in the 10 commandments.

  1. 1. Thou shall have no other gods before my face. (See NSV Exodus 20:3 for a complete exposition).

3. What, who, then is God?

In Exodus 3:14 God's name is given to us:

14 And God said to Moses, “Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh.” He continued, “Thus shall you say to the Israelites, ’eh·yeh ’ă·šer ’eh·yeh' sent me to you.’”

This ’eh·yeh ’ă·šer ’eh·yeh is strong's 1961 and 834. It is pronounced “ha-yah asher ha-yah”.

hayah: to fall out, come to pass, become, be asher: who, which, that (particle of conjunction; relational particle)

Now, this seeminly has a non-intuitive meaning, when translated as “I am that I am,” but that is because there is a lot more going on in Hebrew than in English. This “hayah” is the exact same word as found in Genesis 1:3, God's first words spoken in the bible: “Let there be light” is “ha-yah or”. You can look this up for yourself in strongs. This is an extremely common word which means “that which has come to pass;” as seen in common and frequent use; it appears 25 times in Genesis 1 alone, and over 3,500 times in the rest of the hebrew scriptures. So we know what this word means; it doesn't mean “I am that I am,” it means “my name is I will be what I will be,” or in other words, I am your god for what I will do; my name is, “you shall know me through my actions”. This is why idolatry, for example, is always phrased as “a God your fathers did not know”. Because the nature of God's intended transmission is not progressive revelation, but ancestral transmission, which in some cases has a stronger value proposition for truth than empirical evidence.

Verse 15

In verse 15 God says further;

15 And God said further to Moses, “Thus shall you speak to the Israelites: The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you: This shall be My name forever, This My appellation for all eternity.

God tells us his name, and what it shall remain for eternity. It is thus set in the minds of an israelite what God's name is – for eternity – by the command of God. Any God who does not bear this name, the israelites would find trivial to reject.

  • This is the meaning of “They knew me, but they did not know my name–”
  • This is the meaning of the commandment to know God exists– “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt–”

The definition of God, i.e. his “name” therefore, is that he is the God who brought Israel out of Egypt. The covenant made between God and israel can never be broken – this is in fact the definition of God; it is our link to him; should Israel be broken, the nations could say with impunity “There is no God”. Yet it is repeated, no nation can say 'he brought them out to destroy them' (Exodus 32:12) because 'he shall remember his covenant forever' (Psalm 105:8).

  • Exodus 32:12 Why should the Egyptians say, ‘With evil intent did he bring them out, to kill them in the mountains and to consume them from the face of the earth’? Turn from your burning anger and relent from this disaster against your people.

8 He remembers his covenant forever, the word that he commanded, for a thousand generations, 9 the covenant that he made with Abraham, his sworn promise to Isaac, 10 which he confirmed to Jacob as a statute, to Israel as an everlasting covenant, 11 saying, “To you I will give the land of Canaan as your portion for an inheritance.”

12 When they were few in number, of little account, and sojourners in it, 13 wandering from nation to nation, from one kingdom to another people, 14 he allowed no one to oppress them; he rebuked kings on their account, 15 saying, “Touch not my anointed ones, do my prophets no harm!”Psalm 105:8-15 (ESV)

4. Is the lord's arm too short to save?

  • The Lord answered Moses, “Is the Lord’s arm too short? Now you will see whether or not what I say will come true for you.” –Numbers 11:23

Development of Apologetics: Isaiah 59:1

This is the same “arm of the Lord” from Isaiah 53; “To whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?”

59 Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:Isaiah 59:1

Christians will usually respond with the context after this verse, which is essentially the Romans 3:9 argument that all are under sin from the law. This is the authentic response; the conclusion of Isaiah 59:

15 Truth is lacking, and he who departs from evil makes himself a prey.
The Lord saw it, and it displeased him[a] that there was no justice.

16 He saw that there was no man,
and wondered that there was no one to intercede; then his own arm brought him salvation,
and his righteousness upheld him.

17 He put on righteousness as a breastplate, and a helmet of salvation on his head; he put on garments of vengeance for clothing, and wrapped himself in zeal as a cloak.

18 According to their deeds, so will he repay, wrath to his adversaries, repayment to his enemies; to the coastlands he will render repayment.

19 So they shall fear the name of the Lord from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun; for he will come like a rushing stream,[b] which the wind of the Lord drives.

20 “And a Redeemer will come to Zion, to those in Jacob who turn from transgression,” declares the Lord.

21 “And as for me, this is my covenant with them,” says the Lord: “My Spirit that is upon you, and my words that I have put in your mouth, shall not depart out of your mouth, or out of the mouth of your offspring, or out of the mouth of your children's offspring,” says the Lord, “from this time forth and forevermore.”Isaiah 59:15-21 (ESV)

When this response is given it is a very strong counter to Christianity. God's plan is to send a redeemer, to those who turn away from their sin. Further, the point is made that there is in fact a people who will never forget God's word, neither them nor their children for ever. This is unacceptable to Christianity because it calls once again (ala Ezekiel 18:21) to repentance for the forgiveness of sins. So the Christians alter this verse when constructing and justifying their original doctrine:

25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers:[d] a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,

“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;

27 “and this will be my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

28 As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers.Romans 11:25-27

Paul encloses this severe misquote with warnings that the Jews are spiritually blind and the enemies of the Gospel, thus alerting Chrisitans to anyone who tries to point out the misuse hebrew scriptures to prove Christ.

a) The Jews don't understand their own scriptures, and
b) they are your spiritual enemies.

This sets up a Christian to instantly reject the proof that Paul has lied and twisted scripture.

Hard Sell: Now that the truth has been revealed you need to make a choice.

Who is right?

  1. God, who says his arm is not too short to save, and that all you need to do is repent, or
  2. Paul, who says you cannot be saved directly by repentance to God, and need Jesus to die for you?

Hint: Paul lied about what it says in the old testament.

5. No Place for Jesus in God's stated Plan

It's an eternal covenant – no need for anything else (not exhaustive).

S tier

  • “All the holy contributions that the people of Israel present to the Lord I give to you, and to your sons and daughters with you, as a perpetual due. It is a covenant of salt forever before the Lord for you and for your offspring with you.” (Numbers 18:19 NSV)
  • “Do you not know that the Lord God of Israel, gave rule over Israel forever to David and to his sons by a covenant of salt?” (2 Chronicles 13:5 NSV)

11 from the time that I appointed judges over my people Israel. And I will give you rest from all your enemies. Moreover, the Lord declares to you that the Lord will make you a house. 12 When your days are fulfilled and you lie down with your fathers, I will raise up your offspring after you, who shall come from your body, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son. When he commits iniquity, I will discipline him with the rod of men, with the stripes of the sons of men, 15 but my steadfast love will not depart from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away from before you. 16 And your house and your kingdom shall be made sure forever before me. Your throne shall be established forever.’” 2 Samuel 7:11-16 (ESV)

A tier

  • Psalm 105:8-10
    • He remembers his covenant forever, the word that he commanded, for a thousand generations,
    • the covenant that he made with Abraham, his sworn promise to Isaac,
    • which he confirmed to Jacob as a statute, to Israel as an everlasting covenant,
  • Psalms 119:160
    • The sum of your word is truth, and every one of your righteous rules endures forever.
  • Ecclesiastes 12:13
    • Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
  • Isaiah 40:8
    • The grass withers, the flower fades; but the word of our God will stand for ever.

B tier

  • “You shall season all your grain offerings with salt. You shall not let the salt of the covenant with your God be missing from your grain offering; with all your offerings you shall offer salt.” (Leviticus 2:13 NSV)

No abrogation, no progressive revelation

  • Deuteronomy 4:2
    • 2 Do not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it; that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.
  • Deuteronomy 11:22
    • “For if you keep the commandments which I command you, and do them, to love the Lord your God, and walk in all his ways, cleaving unto him,”
  • Deuteronomy 12:32
    • 32 “Everything that I command you, you shall be careful to do. You shall not add to it or take from it.
  • Numbers 23:19
    • 19 God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?
  • Ezekiel 24:14
    • 14 I am the Lord. I have spoken; it shall come to pass; I will do it. I will not go back; I will not spare; I will not relent; according to your ways and your deeds you will be judged, declares the Lord God.”
  • Psalm 89:34-36
    • I will not violate My covenant or alter the utterance of My lips. . . .

Eternal nature

  • Exodus 3:15
    • 15 God also said to Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘The Lord,[a] the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations.
  • Exodus 12:14

“14 “This day shall be for you a memorial day, and you shall keep it as a feast to the Lord; throughout your generations, as a statute forever, you shall keep it as a feast.”

  • Exodus 12:17

“17 And you shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread, for on this very day I brought your hosts out of the land of Egypt. Therefore you shall observe this day, throughout your generations, as a statute forever.”

  • Exodus 12:23-24

“23 For the Lord will pass through to strike the Egyptians, and when he sees the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts, the Lord will pass over the door and will not allow the destroyer to enter your houses to strike you. 24 You shall observe this rite as a statute for you and for your sons forever.”

  • Exodus 19:9

“9 And the Lord said to Moses, “Behold, I am coming to you in a thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with you, and may also believe you forever.” […]”

  • Exodus 27:21

“21 In the tent of meeting, outside the veil that is before the testimony, Aaron and his sons shall tend it from evening to morning before the Lord. It shall be a statute forever to be observed throughout their generations by the people of Israel.”

  • Exodus 28:43

“43 and they shall be on Aaron and on his sons when they go into the tent of meeting or when they come near the altar to minister in the Holy Place, lest they bear guilt and die. This shall be a statute forever for him and for his offspring after him.”

  • Exodus 29:9

“9 and you shall gird Aaron and his sons with sashes and bind caps on them. And the priesthood shall be theirs by a statute forever. Thus you shall ordain Aaron and his sons.”

  • Exodus 30:21

“21 They shall wash their hands and their feet, so that they may not die. It shall be a statute forever to them, even to him and to his offspring throughout their generations.””

  • Exodus 31:16

“16 Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath throughout their generations, as a covenant forever.”

  • Exodus 31:17

“17 It is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’””

  • Exodus 32:13

“13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, your servants, to whom you swore by your own self, and said to them, ‘I will multiply your offspring as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have promised I will give to your offspring, and they shall inherit it forever.’””

  • Exodus 40:15

“15 and anoint them, as you anointed their father, that they may serve me as priests. And their anointing shall admit them to a perpetual priesthood throughout their generations.””

  • Leviticus 3:17

“17 It shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, in all your dwelling places, that you eat neither fat nor blood.””

  • Leviticus 3:36

“36 The Lord commanded this to be given them by the people of Israel, from the day that he anointed them. It is a perpetual due throughout their generations.””

  • Leviticus 6:18

“18 Every male among the children of Aaron may eat of it, as decreed forever throughout your generations, from the Lord's food offerings. Whatever touches them shall become holy.””

  • Leviticus 6:22
    • 22 The priest from among Aaron's sons, who is anointed to succeed him, shall offer it to the Lord as decreed forever. The whole of it shall be burned.
  • Leviticus 10:9

“9 “Drink no wine or strong drink, you or your sons with you, when you go into the tent of meeting, lest you die. It shall be a statute forever throughout your generations.”

  • Leviticus 10:15

“15 The heave shoulder and the wave breast shall they bring with the offerings made by fire of the fat, to wave it for a wave offering before the Lord; and it shall be thine, and thy sons' with thee, by a statute for ever; as the Lord hath commanded.”

  • Leviticus 16:29

“29 “And it shall be a statute to you forever that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, you shall afflict yourselves and shall do no work, either the native or the stranger who sojourns among you.”

  • Leviticus 16:31

“31 It is a Sabbath of solemn rest to you, and you shall afflict yourselves; it is a statute forever.”

  • Leviticus 24:9

“9 And it shall be Aaron's and his sons'; and they shall eat it in the holy place: for it is most holy unto him of the offerings of the Lord made by fire by a perpetual statute.”

  • Leviticus 25:34

“34 But the fields of pastureland belonging to their cities may not be sold, for that is their possession forever.”

  • Leviticus 26:14-46
    • “… 44 And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the Lord their God. 45 But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the Lord.”
  • Numbers 10:8
    • 8 And the sons of Aaron, the priests, shall blow the trumpets. The trumpets shall be to you for a perpetual statute throughout your generations.
  • Numbers 15:15
    • “15 For the assembly, there shall be one statute for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you, a statute forever throughout your generations. You and the sojourner shall be alike before the Lord.”
  • Numbers 18:8

“8 Then the Lord spoke to Aaron, “Behold, I have given you charge of the contributions made to me, all the consecrated things of the people of Israel. I have given them to you as a portion and to your sons as a perpetual due.”

  • Numbers 18:11

“11 This also is yours: the contribution of their gift, all the wave offerings of the people of Israel. I have given them to you, and to your sons and daughters with you, as a perpetual due. Everyone who is clean in your house may eat it.”

  • Numbers 18:19

“19 All the holy contributions that the people of Israel present to the Lord I give to you, and to your sons and daughters with you, as a perpetual due. It is an eternal[a] covenant forever before the Lord for you and for your offspring with you.””

  • Numbers 18:23

“23 But the Levites shall do the service of the tent of meeting, and they shall bear their iniquity. It shall be a perpetual statute throughout your generations, and among the people of Israel they shall have no inheritance.”

  • Numbers 19:10

“10 And the one who gathers the ashes of the heifer shall wash his clothes and be unclean until evening. And this shall be a perpetual statute for the people of Israel, and for the stranger who sojourns among them.”

  • Numbers 19:21

“21 And it shall be a statute forever for them. The one who sprinkles the water for impurity shall wash his clothes, and the one who touches the water for impurity shall be unclean until evening.”

  • Numbers 25:13

“13 and it shall be to him and to his descendants after him the covenant of a perpetual priesthood, because he was jealous for his God and made atonement for the people of Israel.’””

Summary: 33 sources; The covenant with Israel is forever (including the priesthood). Nation of Israel (Prophets, Writings)

  • Jeremiah 32:40

“40 I will make with them an everlasting covenant, that I will not turn away from doing good to them. And I will put the fear of me in their hearts, that they may not turn from me.”

  • 2 Samuel 23:5

“5 “For does not my house stand so with God? For he has made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things and secure. For will he not cause to prosper all my help and my desire?”

  • 1 Chronicles 16:15-17

“15 Remember his covenant forever, the word that he commanded, for a thousand generations, 16 the covenant that he made with Abraham, his sworn promise to Isaac, 17 which he confirmed to Jacob as a statute, to Israel as an everlasting covenant,”

  • Psalms 105:8-10

“8 He remembers his covenant forever, the word that he commanded, for a thousand generations, 9 the covenant that he made with Abraham, his sworn promise to Isaac, 10 which he confirmed to Jacob as a statute, to Israel as an everlasting covenant,”

  • Psalm 111:5-10
  • “5 He provides food for those who fear him; he remembers his covenant forever.”
  • Psalm 111:7-8

“7 The works of his hands are faithful and just; all his precepts are trustworthy; 8 they are established forever and ever, to be performed with faithfulness and uprightness.”

  • Psalm 111:9

“9 He sent redemption to his people; he has commanded his covenant forever. Holy and awesome is his name!”

  • Hosea 2:19
    • “19 And I will betroth you to me forever. I will betroth you to me in righteousness and in justice, in steadfast love and in mercy.”
  • 1 Kings 9:3
    • “3 And the Lord said unto him, I have heard thy prayer and thy supplication, that thou hast made before me: I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there for ever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.”
  • 2 Chronicles 7:16
    • “16 For now I have chosen and consecrated this house that my name may be there forever. My eyes and my heart will be there for all time.”

6. A sacrifice is not required, and is in fact discouraged

In fact sacrifice is discouraged in the bible. Does God require a sacrifice? explains this matter in great depth. This is related to animal or blood sacrificed. The idea of a human sacrifice on the other hand is explicitly forbidden by the scriptures; to the point where we know God would never institute a human sacrifice because it would cause a violation of the laws and statements he's made in the holy scriptures.

7. Pagan Christianity

Do not follow the ways of the nations.

  • Deu 12:4
    • 4 You shall not worship the Lord your God in their way.
  • Deu 12:29-31
    • 29 “When the Lord your God cuts off before you the nations whom you go in to dispossess, and you dispossess them and dwell in their land, 30 take care that you be not ensnared to follow them, after they have been destroyed before you, and that you do not inquire about their gods, saying, ‘How did these nations serve their gods?—that I also may do the same.’ 31 You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way, for every abominable thing that the Lord hates they have done for their gods, for they even burn their sons and their daughters in the fire to their gods.
  • Deu 18:9
    • 9 “When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations.
  • Lev 18:26-30
    • 26 But you shall keep my statutes and my rules and do none of these abominations, either the native or the stranger who sojourns among you 27 (for the people of the land, who were before you, did all of these abominations, so that the land became unclean), 28 lest the land vomit you out when you make it unclean, as it vomited out the nation that was before you. 29 For everyone who does any of these abominations, the persons who do them shall be cut off from among their people. 30 So keep my charge never to practice any of these abominable customs that were practiced before you, and never to make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord your God.”

Christian Response

The God of your Fathers

  • Deuteronomy 13:1-3
    • 1 “If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder,
    • 2 and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’
    • 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams
  • Deuteronomy 13:6
    • 6 “If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or the wife you embrace[b] or your friend who is as your own soul entices you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which neither you nor your fathers have known,
  • Deu 17:3
    • 3 and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have forbidden,
  • Deuteronomy 28:36
    • 36 “The Lord will bring you and your king whom you set over you to a nation that neither you nor your fathers have known. And there you shall serve other gods of wood and stone.
  • Deuteronomy 28:64
    • 64 “And the Lord will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other, and there you shall serve other gods of wood and stone, which neither you nor your fathers have known.
  • Jeremiah 44:3
    • 3 because of the evil that they committed, provoking me to anger, in that they went to make offerings and serve other gods that they knew not, neither they, nor you, nor your fathers.

Child Sacrifice

In Leviticus 18:21, 20:3 and Deuteronomy 12:30–31, 18:10, the Torah contains a number of imprecations against and laws forbidding child sacrifice and human sacrifice in general. The Tanakh denounces human sacrifice as barbaric customs of Baal worshippers (e.g. Psalms 106:37). The mode of vicarious atonement via child sacrifice is both well known and prohibited:

  • Leviticus 18:21
    • 21 You shall not give any of your children to offer them[b] to Molech, and so profane the name of your God: I am the Lord.
  • Deuteronomy 12:29-31
    • 29 “When the Lord your God cuts off before you the nations whom you go in to dispossess, and you dispossess them and dwell in their land, 30 take care that you be not ensnared to follow them, after they have been destroyed before you, and that you do not inquire about their gods, saying, ‘How did these nations serve their gods?—that I also may do the same.’ 31 You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way, for every abominable thing that the Lord hates they have done for their gods, for they even burn their sons and their daughters in the fire to their gods.
  • Deuteronomy 18:10
    • 10 There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering,[a] anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer

The mode of this idolatry was well-known to the nation of israel

  • 1 Kings 11:5-7
    • 5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. 6 So Solomon did what was evil in the sight of the Lord and did not wholly follow the Lord, as David his father had done. 7 Then Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the abomination of Moab, and for Molech the abomination of the Ammonites, on the mountain east of Jerusalem.
  • 2 Kings 17:
    • 30 The men of Babylon made Succoth-benoth, the men of Cuth made Nergal, the men of Hamath made Ashima,
    • 31 and the Avvites made Nibhaz and Tartak; and the Sepharvites burned their children in the fire to Adrammelech and Anammelech, the gods of Sepharvaim.
  • Judges 2:13
    • 13 They abandoned the Lord and served the Baals and the Ashtaroth.
  • Judges 10:6
    • 6 The people of Israel again did what was evil in the sight of the Lord and served the Baals and the Ashtaroth, the gods of Syria, the gods of Sidon, the gods of Moab, the gods of the Ammonites, and the gods of the Philistines. And they forsook the Lord and did not serve him.
  • Psalm 106:34-39
    • 34 They did not destroy the peoples, as the Lord commanded them, 35 but they mixed with the nations and learned to do as they did. 36 They served their idols, which became a snare to them. 37 They sacrificed their sons and their daughters to the demons; 38 they poured out innocent blood, the blood of their sons and daughters, whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan, and the land was polluted with blood. 39 Thus they became unclean by their acts, and played the whore in their deeds.
  • 2 Kings 3:26
    • 26 When the king of Moab saw that the battle was going against him, he took with him 700 swordsmen to break through, opposite the king of Edom, but they could not. 27 Then he took his oldest son who was to reign in his place and offered him for a burnt offering on the wall. And there came great wrath against Israel. And they withdrew from him and returned to their own land.

8. More: It's not Jewish

This is big, Christianity doesn't have ecumenical authority because the Jews were preserved and thus they still must have ecumenical authority (this will take a while to expand; probably in a separate article).

Could probably start with a rehash or overview of the continuity problem or ecumenical authority; see Kuzari Argument Analysis – At which point did God divorce the nation of Israel/Judah (Did God divorce the Jews?) also see Leviticus 26 and Exegesis, Exegesis II and so on – exegesis_exhibit_a, exegesis_exhibit_b, Ecumenical Authority, and so on.

9. Passages Against Christianity

There are several major issues which fall outside the purview of 3, 4 or 5. Specifically, issues such as the following:

The Commandment not to eat Blood

The Commandment against the concept of Original Sin

The Nation of Israel was commanded not to believe in an original sin to the point that if someone is found to be fatherless he shall not be allowed to suffer because of it;

16 “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

17 “You shall not pervert the justice due to the sojourner or to the fatherless, or take a widow's garment in pledge, 18 but you shall remember that you were a slave in Egypt and the Lord your God redeemed you from there; therefore I command you to do this.

19 “When you reap your harvest in your field and forget a sheaf in the field, you shall not go back to get it. It shall be for the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow, that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands. 20 When you beat your olive trees, you shall not go over them again. It shall be for the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow. 21 When you gather the grapes of your vineyard, you shall not strip it afterward. It shall be for the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow. 22 You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt; therefore I command you to do this.Deuteronomy 24:16-22 (ESV)

Intentional vs Unintentional Sin

'original sin' would fall under the banner of unintentional sin (if it did in fact exist; it does not, see above); The Bible makes some strong statements on the issue;

  • Leviticus 5:5,17
    • 5 “If anyone sins in that he hears a public adjuration to testify, and though he is a witness, whether he has seen or come to know the matter, yet does not speak, he shall bear his iniquity;
    • 17 “If anyone sins, doing any of the things that by the Lord's commandments ought not to be done, though he did not know it, then realizes his guilt, he shall bear his iniquity.

The allusion to an innocent sin such as in the garden should be clearly understood.

  • Ezekiel 18:19-20
    • 19 “Yet you say, ‘Why should not the son suffer for the iniquity of the father?’ When the son has done what is just and right, and has been careful to observe all my statutes, he shall surely live. 20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

Ezekiel 18 and Ezekiel 20 are rich chapters with many confirming quotes. But there are more examples even than just in Ezekiel;

  • 2 Kings 14:6
    • But he did not put to death the children of the murderers, according to what is written in the Book of the Law of Moses, where the Lord commanded, “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. But each one shall die for his own sin.”
  • 2 Chronicles 25:4
    • But he did not put their children to death, according to what is written in the Law, in the Book of Moses, where the Lord commanded, “Fathers shall not die because of their children, nor children die because of their fathers, but each one shall die for his own sin.”
  • Jeremiah 31:29-30
    • 29 In those days they shall no longer say: “‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge.’ 30 But everyone shall die for his own iniquity. Each man who eats sour grapes, his teeth shall be set on edge.
  • Isaiah 3:10-11
    • 10 Tell the righteous that it shall be well with them, for they shall eat the fruit of their deeds. 11 Woe to the wicked! It shall be ill with him, for what his hands have dealt out shall be done to him.

It should be very clear that there is no concept of death by original sin in the bible.

The commandment not to put your faith in a man

5 This is what the Lord says:

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3Put not your trust in princes, in a son of man, in whom there is no salvation.Psalm 146:6 (ESV)

It is stated God will not dwell on earth as a man.

25 “Now Lord, the God of Israel, keep for your servant David my father the promises you made to him when you said, ‘You shall never fail to have a successor to sit before me on the throne of Israel, if only your descendants are careful in all they do to walk before me faithfully as you have done.’ 26 And now, God of Israel, let your word that you promised your servant David my father come true.

27 “But will God really dwell on earth? The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built! 28 Yet give attention to your servant’s prayer and his plea for mercy, Lord my God. Hear the cry and the prayer that your servant is praying in your presence this day. 29 May your eyes be open toward this temple night and day, this place of which you said, ‘My Name shall be there,’ so that you will hear the prayer your servant prays toward this place.1 Kings 8:25-29 (NIV)

16 “Now, Lord, the God of Israel, keep for your servant David my father the promises you made to him when you said, ‘You shall never fail to have a successor to sit before me on the throne of Israel, if only your descendants are careful in all they do to walk before me according to my law, as you have done.’ 17 And now, Lord, the God of Israel, let your word that you promised your servant David come true.

18 “But will God really dwell on earth with humans? The heavens, even the highest heavens, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built! 19 Yet, Lord my God, give attention to your servant’s prayer and his plea for mercy. Hear the cry and the prayer that your servant is praying in your presence. 20 May your eyes be open toward this temple day and night, this place of which you said you would put your Name there. May you hear the prayer your servant prays toward this place. 21 Hear the supplications of your servant and of your people Israel when they pray toward this place. Hear from heaven, your dwelling place; and when you hear, forgive.2 Chronicles 6:16-21 (RSV)

These passages not only state that God will never come to the earth as a man, in a literal sense, they also explain the method by which people are forgiven by repentance in prayer, thus discounting the Jesus narrative (even if we did not have a clear statement that God would not be a man).

50 more verses

50 (more) verses against Christianity, mostly in addition to the above

1) Exod 20:2-3 ”…NO OTHER gods…“
2) Num 23:19 “G-d is NOT a man…“
3) Dt 4:12-16 ”…saw NO form, ONLY heard a voice…so that you would NOT create an image(man or woman)“
4) Dt 4:35 ”…there is NO OTHER besides Him”
5) Dt 4:39 ”…there is NO OTHER“
6) Dt 6:13-14 ”…(do not swear by the name of jesus)…
7) Dt 32:39 “…there is NO god with me…“
8) 1 Sam 2:2 ”…there is NONE besides You…“
9) 1 Sam 15:29 ”…He is NOT a MAN…“
10) 1 Ki 8:27 “Would G-d DWELL on the EARTH?…“
11) 1 Ki 8:60 ”…there IS no one else”
12) 2 Ki 19:19 ”…you are the L-rd G-d, You ONLY”
13) Isa 40:18 “…(G-d will not allow Himself a human likeness)…“
14) Isa 40:25 ”…that I should be ANYones equal…“
15) Isa 42:8 ”…My Glory I will NOT share…“
16) Isa 43:10-11 ”…no one before OR AFTER Me…“
17) Isa 44:6 ”…I Am the First and Last, besides me there IS no other”
18) Isa 44:24 “…(jesus was NOT in the beginning with G-d)…“
19) Isa 45:5-6 ”…no god besides Me…“
20) Isa 45:18 ”…I Am The L-rd and there IS no one else”
21) Isa 45:21-22 “…(again, no room for jesus in the beginning)..”
22) Isa 46:5 “…(jesus is not a human form of G-d)…“
23) Isa 46:9 ”…there IS NO-ONE like Me”
24) Isa 48:11 “…I will NOT give my glory to another”
25) Isa 48:12 “…(again, no mention of jesus)…“
26) Hos 13:4 ”…there IS no Savior besides Me”
27) Joel 2:27 “…(only G-d, no partner)…“
28) Psa 73:25 ”…(King David declaring G-d is G-d ALONE)…“
29) Psa 146:3 “Do NOT put your trust in princes or the son of man…“
30) Neh 9:6 ”…(no mention of a helper)…“
31) 1 Chr 17:20 ”…NO other G-d…“
32) Ex 34:14 ”…(bow to NO-ONE but G-d!)…“
33) Deu 32:12 ”…(no way jesus was there!)…“
34) Deu 33:26 ”…(NO one like G-d)…“
35) Deu 5:7 ”…(put NO one OR MIGHTY one before G-d)…“
36) Deu 7:4 ”…(WARNING against others like jsus/demi-gods)…“
37) 2Sa 7:22 ”…(there is NO G-d but G-d ALONE)…“
38) Psa 18:31 ”…(G-d is the ONLY Rock)…“
39) Psa 83:18 ”…(ONLY G-d! No room for jesus here)…“
40) Psa 86:8 ”…(NO one like G-d)…“
41) Psa 89:6 ”…(G-d HAS no equal)…
42) Psa 89:8 ”…(NO one is MIGHTY like G-d)…“
43) Psa 100:3 ”…(ONLY G-d was from the beginning)…“
44) Isa 12:2 ”…(G-d alone is my deliverer. No other “savior”)…“
45) Isa 33:22 ”…(ONLY G-d can save us.)…“
46) Isa 37:20 ”…(ONLY G-d)…“
47) Isa 41:4 ”…(NO room for jesus)…“
48) Isa 43:15 ”…(no jesus)…“
49) Isa 44:8 ”…(NO Rock but G-d alone)…“
50) Isa 45:15 ”…(G-d ALONE)…“
51) Isa 63:16 ”…(G-d is our redeemer, not jesus)…“
52) Hos 1:7 ”…(Salvation is ONLY through G-d)…“
53) Mal 2:10 ”…(ONLY G-d is the creator)

1)…..EXOD 30:2-3 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

2)…..NUM 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

3)…..DT 4:12,15-16 And the Lord spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice.Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the Lord spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire: Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female

4)…..DT 4:35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the Lord he is God; there is none else beside him.

5)…..DT 4:39 Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the Lord he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.

6)…..DT 6:13-14 Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name. Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you;

7)…..DT 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

8)…..1 SAM 2:2 There is none holy as the Lord: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.

9)…..1 SAM 15:29 And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.

10)…..1 KI 8:27 But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?

11)…..1 KI 8:60 That all the people of the earth may know that the Lord is God, and that there is none else.

12)…..2 KI 19:19 Now therefore, O Lord our God, I beseech thee, save thou us out of his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art the Lord God, even thou only.

13)…..ISA 40:18 To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?

14)…..ISA 40:25 To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.

15)…..ISA 42:8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

16)…..ISA 43:10-11 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

17)…..ISA 44:6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

18)…..ISA 44:24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

19)…..ISA 45:5-6 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.

20)…..ISA 45:18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.

21)…..ISA 45:21-22 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

22)…..ISA 46:5 To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?

23)…..ISA 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

24)…..ISA 48:11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

25)…..ISA 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

26)…..HOS 13:4 Yet I am the Lord thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.

27)…..JOEL 2:27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the Lord your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.

28)…..PSA 73:25 Whom have I in heaven but thee? and there is none upon earth that I desire beside thee.

29)…..PSA 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.

30)…..NEH 9:6 Thou, even thou, art Lord alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.

31)…..1 CHR 17:20 O Lord, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

32)…..Exo 34:14 for you do not bow yourselves to another mighty one, for יהוה, whose Name is jealous, is a jealous Ěl –

33)…..Deu 32:12 “יהוה alone led him, And there was no strange mighty one with him.”

34)….. Deu 33:26 “O Yeshurun, there is no one like Ěl, riding the heavens to help you, and on the clouds, in His excellency.

35)…..Deu 5:7 ‘You have no other mighty ones against My face.

36)…..Deu 7:4 for he turns your sons away from following Me, to serve other mighty ones

37)…..2Sa 7:22 “You are great indeed, O Master יהוה. For there is none like You, and there is no Elohim but You, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

38)…..Psa 18:31 For who is Eloah, besides יהוה? And who is a rock, except our Elohim?

39)…..Psa 83:18 And let them know that You, Whose Name is יהוה, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.”

40)…..Psa 86:8 There is none like You among the mighty ones, O יהוה; And like Your works there are none.

41)….Psa 89:6 For who in the heavens is comparable to יהוה? Who among the sons of the mighty is like יהוה?

42)…..Psa 89:8 O יהוה Elohim of hosts, Who is mighty like You, O Yah? And Your trustworthiness is all around You.

43)…..Psa 100:3 Know that יהוה, He is Elohim; He has made us,

44)…..Isa 12:2 “See, Ěl is my deliverance, I trust and am not afraid. For Yah, יהוה, is my strength and my song; and He has become my deliverance.”

45)…..Isa 33:22 for יהוה is our Judge, יהוה is our Lawgiver, יהוה is our Sovereign, He saves us –

46)…..Isa 37:20 “And now, O יהוה our Elohim, save us from his hand, so that all the reigns of the earth know that You are יהוה, You alone.”

47)…..Isa 41:4 “Who has performed and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? ‘I, יהוה, am the first, and with the last I am He.’ ”

48)…..Isa 43:15 “I am יהוה, your Set-apart One, Creator of Yisra’ĕl, your Sovereign.”

49)…..Isa 44:8 ‘Do not fear, nor be afraid. Have I not since made you hear, and declared it? You are My witnesses. Is there an Eloah besides Me? There is no other Rock, I know not one.’ ”

50)…..Isa 45:15 Truly You are Ěl, who hide Yourself, O Elohim of Yisra’ĕl, Saviour!

51)…..Isa 63:16 For You are our Father, though Aḇraham does not know us, and Yisra’ĕl does not recognise us. You, O יהוה, are our Father, our Redeemer – Your Name is from of old.

52)…..Hos 1:7 “But I shall have compassion on the house of Yehuḏah and SAVE THEM by יהוה their Elohim, and not save them by bow or by sword or battle, by horses or horsemen.”

53)…..Mal 2:10 Have we not all one Father? Did NOT ONE Ěl create us?

10. Even after all this, Jesus disqualified himself by breaking the covenant

Here's a big one. Jesus broke the law. Don't think so? Well, do you even know what the law is in the first place? Can you name three laws? out of 613? The ten commandments don't count.

Here are a few I've kept on the page so you can just continue reading:

Jesus Told Fortunes

On at least four separate occasions, Jesus told fortunes by predicting the date and time of his death, an act which is forbidden under the covenant:

  • in Mark 8:31 (Matthew 16:21, Luke 9:22)
  • Mark 9:30–32 (and also in Matthew 17:22–23)
  • Matthew 20:17
  • and a fourth time in Matthew 26:1-2

The issue over claiming this is prophecy is that it cannot be prophecy because it was not given by a prophet who passed the tests of prophecy given in the hebrew scriptures. Claiming that “Since Jesus is God he can do whatever he wants” is just an admission that he would have had to break the covenant to do so, and the excuse – not the proof– is that he is God. We are still then missing a proof, since Jesus would have, by self-admission, not kept the covenant.

What's more (if the above is somehow not enough), on several other occasions, Jesus predicts other people's future, such as…

…in Mark 14:13 (Luke 22:10) he predicts the future of what will happen when Petr and John enter Jerusalem and gave them specific instructons (future knowledge) of how to act in order to accomplish Jesus' purpose.

He also predicted Judas and Peter would betray him (Mat. 26:21, Mark 14:18, John 13:21 and then in Mark 14:30, etc). In multiple other occasions Jesus interpreted omens or advised his disciples to observe and interpret omens, ex. in reference to the end of days. This is a violation of Deuteronomy 18:10, the prohibition against fortune telling and interpreting omens. It is important to differentiate this from prophecy, which is a sign given in order to bring people to God; however, for example, in each case where Jesus predicted his own demise his apostles failed to understand his message. Neither would there be any point (and neither was there given in the narrative) for Jesus ousting Judas or Peter as betrayers; Neither did his other predictions come true (the fall of every stone in the temple, “this generation shall not pass,” etc.)

11. (Bonus 1) The Incarnation Problem

The incarnation problem: Who God is changes in mainstream Christian doctrine (A rather weak argument compared to the others, but still strong on it's own).

The incarnation:

  • in the god head, the son takes on human flesh
  • he becomes fully man and fully god
  • pre incarnation: the father, the son{fully god} and the spirit form the trinity
  • post incarnation: the father, the son{fully god and fully man} and the spirit form the trinity

Who God is changed:

  • after the incarnation, the godhead, the son changed to include “inseparable divine and human”
  • Jesus will exist in heaven as a glorified man and god at the same time
  • if the trinity is an unchanging part of god then who god is has never changed according to Christianity
  • that would contradict the biblical text in multiple ways

Some verses:

  • Hebrews 13:8 “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.”
  • Malachi 3:6 “For I the Lord do not change”
  • James 1:17 “Father of lights, with whom there is no alteration or shadow caused by change.”
  • Numbers 23:19 “God is not man”

11. (Bonus 2) The Gospels are Historically Inaccurate

It is demonstrable that not only are the gospels historically inaccurate on technical grounds, such as they have a vested interest in the affairs they describe (they are not impartial)_ but it is demonstrable that the gospels have changed their stories in order to support a theology they were trying to convey. A few examples:

  • Events which are unlikely to have happened or which we know did not happen
    • Herodian massacre of infants
    • The rising of the dead in Jerusalem in the book of Mark
  • Events which are qualitatively different and which present a differing theology
    • John changing the date, order of events, dialogue, and actions people took in those events to show that Jesus was a sort of 'passover lamb'
  • Demonstration of a lack of knowledge or lack of connection to God and the Hebrew scriptures; arguments out of ignorance
    • One animal or Two animals (did Jesus enter jerusalem on one animal or two, and the events surrounding it
  • The possibility of lost or rejected documents of the early church (ex. didache)
    • Which would then act to change our understanding in the same manner as each gospel agrees or disagrees with each other and brings new understanding and theology to the table
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