* Also see: [[Biological Imperative]] Who is the nation of Israel? Is the church the nation of Israel? Does Jesus represent the true nation of Israel? How do we know who a Jew is? Are Black people the real Jews? Are Christians the new Jews? Unfortunately, claims made by books like the "13th Tribe" by Arthur Koestler, even though discredited (and redacted by it's author) -- and much like the heresies of Marcion -- weave themselves into the popular culture and persist to this day. == God's Chosen People as Chosen by God The biblical narrative shows a progression of selection from Noah, to Abraham, to Issac, to Jacob, or Israel. Then at Mt. Sinai the children of Israel (the twelve tribes) and those who came with them and were eventually absorbed into the tribes, such as Dan, Levi, etc. unanimously chose to accept a covenant with God. Therefore, the defining principle of the Nation of Israel will be found to be the covenant at Mt. Sinai. Therefore, you can no longer join the nation of Israel without the agreement of God, since what it means to be the nation of Israel is in fact delineated by the contract between the children of Israel and God. This covenant contains **inclusional, conditional,** and **exclusional** statements. Inclusional statements delineate who **can be** a Jew, conditional statements delineate who **may remain** a Jew, and exclusional statements indicate who **can not be** a Jew. In order to be a Jew -- to be a member of the nation of Israel, one must conform with the inclusional statements, and not be excluded by the conditional or exclusional statements. === Inclusional ==== Covenant Nation //9 sources// * Deuteronomy 29:10 states who God made his covenant with: ** 10 You stand assembled today, all of you, before the Lord your God—the leaders of your tribes, ** your elders, and your officials, all the men of Israel, 11 your children, your women, ** //and the aliens who are in your camp, both those who cut your wood and those who draw your water—// ** 12 to enter into the covenant of the Lord your God, sworn by an oath, which the Lord your God is making with you today; ** 13 **in order that he may establish you today as his people, and that he may be your God, as he promised you and as he swore to your ancestors, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.** * 14 I am making this covenant, sworn by an oath, ** //not only with you who stand here with us today before the Lord our God, 15 but also with those who are not here with us today.// ** 16 You know how we lived in the land of Egypt, and how we came through the midst of the nations through which you passed. Deuteronomy 29:10-16 is perhaps the most important inclusionary passage so we list it first. Following are several others (this is not meant to be an exhaustive list): * Jeremiah 11:4 states, 'Listen to My voice, and do according to all which I command you; so you shall be My people, and I will be your God,' * Deuteronomy 6:25 states, "If we diligently observe this entire commandment before the Lord our God, as he has commanded us, we will be in the right." * Deuteronomy 7:9 states, "Know therefore that the Lord your God is God, the faithful God who maintains covenant loyalty with those who love him and keep his commandments, to a thousand generations" * Deuteronomy 7:12 states, "If you heed these ordinances, by diligently observing them, the Lord your God will maintain with you the covenant loyalty that he swore to your ancestors;" * Deuteronomy 11: 31 When you cross the Jordan to go in to occupy the land that the Lord your God is giving you, and when you occupy it and live in it, 32 you must diligently observe all the statutes and ordinances that I am setting before you today. * Deuteronomy 26: 17 Today you have obtained the Lord’s agreement: to be your God; and for you to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, his commandments, and his ordinances, and to obey him. 18 Today the Lord has obtained your agreement: to be his treasured people, as he promised you, and to keep his commandments; 19 for him to set you high above all nations that he has made, in praise and in fame and in honor; and for you to be a people holy to the Lord your God, as he promised. All of the above are explicit in defining a requirement that the nation of Israel do the commandments of God. * Hosea 11:1 "When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son." -- The people brought out of Egypt represent the sole remnant of the house of Israel. Above we see other such requirements which state that the nation of Israel is represented by the people who were brought out of Egypt. In every one of the numerous places where God states "I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt", the implicit statement is that the son (nation, Israel) is defined by being brought out of Egypt... to engage in the covenant of Israel at Mt. Sinai. Therefore, Israel is exclusively represented by this covenant nation which was created at Mt. Sinai between God and the people who agreed to keep the law. === Conditional (Individual) //2 sources// * Exodus 31:12-17 states that Israelites who break the sabbath are cut off from among the people (Israel). It states that keeping the sabbath is a sign between God and Israel that Israel will know they are sanctified by god. * Deuteronomy 29:29 in which God states "...the revealed things belong to us and to our children forever, to observe all the words of this law." === Conditional (National) //5 sources// There is NO conditional statement that Israel will not maintain this covenant; this idea is explicitly rejected by God. Also see below (Exclusional). * "For the Lord your God is a merciful God. **He will never leave you or destroy you or forget the covenant with your fathers that he swore to them.**" (Deuteronomy 4:31) * "44 Yet in spite of this, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not reject them or abhor them so as to destroy them completely, breaking my covenant with them. I am the Lord their God. 45 But for their sake I will remember the covenant with their ancestors whom I brought out of Egypt in the sight of the nations to be their God. I am the Lord." (Leviticus 26:44-45) * "But even in those days, declares the Lord, I will not make a full end of you." (Jeremiah 5:18) * "For I am with you to save you," declares the Lord; I will make a full end of all the nations among whom I scattered you, **but of you I will not make a full end.** I will discipline you in just measure, and I will by no means leave you unpunished. (Jeremiah 30:11) * "Can a woman forget her nursing child, that she should have no compassion on the son of her womb? Even these may forget, **yet I will not forget you.**" (Isaiah 49:15) === Exclusional //7 sources// * Leviticus 26 states that even Israelites who do not keep the covenant, despite being //abhored, etc.// by God, will not have the covenant completely broken but instead, (26:40-45) //"But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their ancestors, in that they committed treachery against me and, moreover, that they continued hostile to me— so that I, in turn, continued hostile to them and brought them into the land of their enemies; ... I will not spurn them, or abhor them so as to destroy them utterly and break my covenant with them; for I am the Lord their God; but I will remember in their favor the covenant with their ancestors whom I brought out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the nations, to be their God: I am the Lord."// This is a limited exclusion, applicable only to people of Israel, repaired only upon repentance and return to God. This is a vital point to understand: merely because someone breaks a law, does not mean that person is excluded from the covenant! In fact there are many strong refutations of this claim, ex. Numbers 5:7, Ezekiel 18:20, etc. * Deuteronomy 8:11-20 states, "Take care that you do not forget the Lord your God, by failing to keep his commandments, his ordinances, and his statutes, which I am commanding you today. ... 19 If you do forget the Lord your God and follow other gods to serve and worship them, I solemnly warn you today that you shall surely perish. 20 Like the nations that the Lord is destroying before you, so shall you perish, because you would not obey the voice of the Lord your God." * Deuteronomy 23: No one with crushed testacles, etc., no one born of an illicit union, no Ammonites or Moabites, and most interestingly a specific commandment "Do not abhor the Edomites or Egyptians for they are your kin" and specifically that they may be admitted to the assembly.
7 “You shall not abhor an Edomite, for he is your brother. You shall not abhor an Egyptian, because you were a sojourner in his land. 8 Children born to them in the third generation may enter the assembly of the Lord.Deu 23:7-8 (ESV)* Deuteronomy 28 states: 47 Because you did not serve the Lord your God joyfully and with gladness of heart for the abundance of everything, 48 therefore you shall serve your enemies whom the Lord will send against you, in hunger and thirst, in nakedness and lack of everything. He will put an iron yoke on your neck until he has destroyed you. 49 The Lord will bring a nation from far away, from the end of the earth, to swoop down on you like an eagle, a nation whose language you do not understand, 50 a grim-faced nation showing no respect to the old or favor to the young. 51 It shall consume the fruit of your livestock and the fruit of your ground until you are destroyed, leaving you neither grain, wine, and oil, nor the increase of your cattle and the issue of your flock, until it has made you perish. 52 It shall besiege you in all your towns until your high and fortified walls, in which you trusted, come down throughout your land; it shall besiege you in all your towns throughout the land that the Lord your God has given you. * Deuteronomy 29:22-29 states, "22 The next generation, your children who rise up after you, as well as the foreigner who comes from a distant country, will see the devastation of that land and the afflictions with which the Lord has afflicted it— 23 all its soil burned out by sulfur and salt, nothing planted, nothing sprouting, unable to support any vegetation, like the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, Admah and Zeboiim, which the Lord destroyed in his fierce anger— 24 they and indeed all the nations will wonder, “Why has the Lord done thus to this land? What caused this great display of anger?” 25 **They will conclude, “It is because they abandoned the covenant of the Lord, the God of their ancestors, which he made with them when he brought them out of the land of Egypt. 26 They turned and served other gods, worshiping them, gods whom they had not known and whom he had not allotted to them; 27 so the anger of the Lord was kindled against that land, bringing on it every curse written in this book.** 28 The Lord uprooted them from their land in anger, fury, and great wrath, and cast them into another land, as is now the case.” 29 The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the revealed things belong to us and to our children forever, to observe all the words of this law." ==== The Covenant Can Not be Abrogated Leviticus 26, etc. and the following //1 source//:
1 When all these blessings and curses I have set before you come on you and you take them to heart wherever the Lord your God disperses you among the nations, 2 and when you and your children return to the Lord your God and obey him with all your heart and with all your soul according to everything I command you today, 3 then the Lord your God will restore your fortunes[a] and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the nations where he scattered you. 4 **Even if you have been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, from there the Lord your God will gather you and bring you back.** 5 He will bring you to the land that belonged to your ancestors, and you will take possession of it. He will make you more prosperous and numerous than your ancestors. 6 **The Lord your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live.** 7 The Lord your God will put all these curses on your enemies who hate and persecute you. 8 **You will again obey the Lord and follow all his commands I am giving you today.** 9 Then the Lord your God will make you most prosperous in all the work of your hands and in the fruit of your womb, the young of your livestock and the crops of your land. The Lord will again delight in you and make you prosperous, just as he delighted in your ancestors, 10 if you obey the Lord your God and keep his commands and decrees that are written in this Book of the Law and turn to the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.Deuteronomy 30:1-10Also see Judges 2:1-2: * 1 Now the angel of the Lord went up from Gilgal to Bochim. And he said, “I brought you up from Egypt and brought you into the land that I swore to give to your fathers. **I said, ‘I will never break my covenant with you,** * 2 and you shall make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land; you shall break down their altars.’ But you have not obeyed my voice. What is this you have done? === Analysis of Inclusion, Condition and Exclusion The above list is not intended to be exhaustive in order to save space. However one is free to check the exhaustive list from which the following themes are observed: - Inclusionary -- God's people are wholly created out of those people who accept his commandments (esp. Deu 29:10) and not solely out of the seed (physical descendants, or race) descended from Abraham, Issac and Jacob. -- Specifically the inclusion of anyone present at the assembly including other tribes which have cleaved to Israel, including servants, and specific other races such as Edomites which are the kin of Israel as stated by God. - Conditional -- Membership in Israel is conditional on whether or not Israel keeps the covenant. -- It is noted that the continuance of the nation Israel depends on the continuance of keeping the word of God (however, //uncircumcised hearts// may still repent and return, see again Lev. 26). -- For example, if one does not keep the sabbath laws he is cut off from Israel. -- For example, illegal unions, certain tribes, etc. are not to be admitted. -- Thus we note membership in Israel is again dependent on keeping the covenant made with God. -- Continuing the theme that Israel is solely the people who keept God's word from Sinai. - Exclusionary -- A number of statements demonstrating the idea that it is possible for //individuals// to be cut off from Israel completely, and that Israel as a whole may also be cut off, albeit //as a nation// only temporarily. == The Christian Position A summary of the Christian position that the Christians are the new Israel (see: [[replacement theology]]) appears on [[http://www.biblestudyproject.org/israel1-jews,hebrews,israelites-messianic.htm|biblestudyproject.org]], but of course you would have to take this with a grain of salt depending on which Christian denomination you follow. For everyone else, the sola scriptura is below. == The Historical Context: Seed of Abraham The Abrahamic covenant was not made solely with the seed of Abraham. In Genesis 12 we read, "4 So Abram went, as the Lord had told him; and Lot went with him. Abram was seventy-five years old when he departed from Haran. 5 Abram took his wife Sarai and his brother’s son Lot, and all the possessions that they had gathered, //and the persons whom they had acquired in Haran;// and they set forth to go to the land of Canaan." In Genesis 17 we read: * Genesis 17: 13 Both the slave born in your house and the one bought with your money must be circumcised. So shall my covenant be in your flesh an everlasting covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.” While this technically establishes that Abraham may bring anyone he chooses into the covenant, we read next in verse 23: * Genesis 17:23 Then Abraham took his son Ishmael and all the slaves born in his house or bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham’s house, and he circumcised the flesh of their foreskins that very day, as God had said to him. 24 Abraham was ninety-nine years old when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin. 25 And his son Ishmael was thirteen years old when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin. 26 That very day Abraham and his son Ishmael were circumcised; 27 and all the men of his house, slaves born in the house and those bought with money from a foreigner, were circumcised with him. Abraham took every male, not just slaves as slaves are mentioned separately, as well as his family members into the covenant. == The Historical Context; Woodcutters, The Lost Tribes, and the Ashkenazi The historical context of who Israel became over time is too large to exhaustively discuss here. I will instead present three key areas, while drawing conclusions based upon the exhaustive body of evidence. References will be provided where appropriate if one wishes to explore the subject in greater detail. === The issue of the lost tribes information collected in other sections * [[kuzari argument analysis]] * [[ten lost tribes]] In the time of King David, Benjamin rebelled and caused a civil war, which eventually led to the split of Israel //the nation created by God's covenant// into Israel //the northern Kingdom// also called **Samaria** under the rule of King Absalom (vs. King David of Judah). This split took place around 1,000 BC shortly after King David was appointed to rule over all of Israel //the nation created out of obedience to God//. Thus begins the typification by God of Northern Israel as a rebellious nation fighting against God's appointer ruler, God's will, God's commandments (the covenant). As a result of this (as prophesied) by 722 BC, the Assyrians conquered Israel. The Assyrians were aggressive and effective; the history of their dominance over the Middle East is a history of constant warfare. In order to assure that conquered territories would remain pacified, the Assyrians would force many of the native inhabitants to relocate to other parts of their empire. They almost always chose the upper and more powerful classes, for they had no reason to fear the general mass of a population. They would then send Assyrians to relocate in the conquered territory. * 2 Kings 17:24-27 "And the king of Assyria brought people from Babylon, Cuthah, Avva, Hamath, and Sepharvaim, and placed them in the cities of Samaria instead of the people of Israel. And they took possession of Samaria and lived in its cities. And at the beginning of their dwelling there, they did not fear the Lord. Therefore the Lord sent lions among them, which killed some of them. So the king of Assyria was told, “The nations that you have carried away and placed in the cities of Samaria do not know the law of the god of the land. Therefore he has sent lions among them, and behold, they are killing them, because they do not know the law of the god of the land.” Then the king of Assyria commanded, “Send there one of the priests whom you carried away from there, and let him go and dwell there and teach them the law of the god of the land.”" When they conquered Israel, they forced the ten tribes to scatter throughout their empire. For all practical purposes, you might consider this a proto-Diaspora ("diaspora" meaning "scattering"), except that these Israelites disappear from history permanently; they are called "the ten lost tribes of Israel." Why this happened is difficult to assess. The Assyrians did not settle the Israelites in one place, but scattered them in small populations all over the Middle East. When the Babylonians later conquered Judah, they, too, relocate a massive amount of the population. However, they move that population to a single location so that the Jews can set up a separate community and still retain their religion and identity. The Israelites deported by the Assyrians, however, do not live in separate communities and soon drop their Yahweh religion and their Hebrew names and identities. In any case a major theme of the Bible is that the legitimate ruler of greater Israel is always a descendant of David, who was the King of Judah. Along these lines, the Hebrew Bible makes sure that it is clear that all the kings of the kingdom of Judah were, in fact, descendants of David. For instance, though at one point all the descendants of David had apparently been slaughtered, the narrative recounts that a legitimate Davidic child, Joash, was hidden by the priests and later emerged to restore the throne to the Davidic line (2 Kings 11:1-12). Other biblical and apocryphal texts take care to note whether Jewish rulers in late antiquity were of David’s house. So then, the continuance of Israel //the nation created by God// is unquestionably that of Judah, although the individual descendants of the "lost" northern tribes are certainly free to return to Judah and legitimate rule under the Judean kingdom under King David's descendants (ex. Lev. 26). In fact, by 1 Kings 18 Northern Israel's idolatry had already extended to their chief priests being Baal worshippers; all of which Elijah (through God's might) killed. Thus it is seen that no priests remained in northern Israel, northern Israel had become utterly destroyed and cut off from God's promise, just as God stated in Leviticus 26 and other places. And, further to this, as Israel did not repent even after this, Jeremiah indicates that in the time of King Josiah (See; Jeremiah 3) God issues Israel (Samaria) a bill of divorce //but not to Judah,// and subsequently Israel is carried off by Assyria. Thus we may conclude conclusively that the nation of Israel, the "True" chosen people, are not at all represented by the lost tribes of Northern Israel but instead are represented by the nation of Judah upon which God appointed a chosen and holy King David. Again I stress that //individual Isrealites// were (and still are, theoretically) free to return to God's appointed Israel by submitting to the Israel continued by the tribe of Judah. === The Book of Esther In Ester 8:17 and 9:27 we find as follows:
17 And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.Esther 8:17
26 Therefore these days are called Purim, from the word Pur. Thus because of all that was written in this letter, and of what they had faced in this matter, and of what had happened to them, 27 the Jews established and accepted as a custom for themselves and their descendants and all who joined them, that without fail they would continue to observe these two days every year, as it was written and at the time appointed.Esther 9:26-27Opponents of these passages will point out then than some translations such as the NRSV state "professed" in 8:17 and that 9:27 does not refer to conversion but just to co-celebrants. This is contrary to a plain reading of the scriptures in Hebrew (ref. מִֽתְיַהֲדִ֔ים, "miṯ·ya·hă·ḏîm,"). Additionally, the Septuagint translation (which is a paraphrase of the Hebrew and contains many additions) specifically mentions a conversion ceremony was performed which included circumcision and instruction in Jewish life:
When the LXX translators translated Esther 8:17, they said הנלוים were περιετεμοντο και ιουδαιζον – circumcised and living like Jews. Thus it is entirely acceptable, and not theological gymnastics (as some claim) to see then how they would have understood נלוים of Esther 9:27 as the נמלים (περιετεμοντο) of Esther 8:17.\\ \\ Let’s examine:\\ \\ LXX Esther 8:17\\ κατα πολιν και χωραν ου αν εξετεθη το προσταγμα ου αν εξετεθη το εκθεμα χαρα και ευφροσυνη τοις ιουδαιοις κωθων και ευφροσυνη και πολλοι των εθνων περιετεμοντο και ιουδαιζον δια τον φοβον των ιουδαιων\\ \\ περιετεμοντο\\ Word: peritemnw\\ Pronounc: per-ee-tem’-no\\ Strong: G4059\\ Transliter: peritemno\\ from 4012 and the base of 5114; to cut around, i.e. (specially) to circumcise:–circumcise. G4012 G5114\\ \\ ιουδαιζον\\ Word: Ioudaizw\\ Pronounc: ee-oo-dah-id’-zo\\ Strong: G2450\\ Transliter: Ioudaizo\\ from 2453; to become a Judaean, i.e. “Judaize”:–live as the Jews. G2453\\ \\ We find the use of these two terms by Paul himself in Galatians chapter 2. περιετεμοντο which is the same idea found in Galatians 2:3 where Titus did not feel “compelled to get circumcised”:\\ \\ TR GALATAS 2:3\\ αλλ ουδε τιτος ο συν εμοι ελλην ων ηναγκασθη περιτμηθηναι\\ \\ Also regarding ιουδαιζον Paul also uses the same word in Galatians 2:14 to further describe what happens when one gets circumcised like Titus would have been:\\ \\ TR GALATAS 2:14\\ αλλ οτε ειδον οτι ουκ ορθοποδουσιν προς την αληθειαν του ευαγγελιου ειπον τω πετρω εμπροσθεν παντων ει συ ιουδαιος υπαρχων εθνικως ζης και ουκ ιουδαικως τι τα εθνη αναγκαζεις ιουδαιζειν\\ \\ So we see from Paul’s use of the terms for “circumcision” in Gal 2:3, and “live like Jews” in Gal 2:14, are the same concepts used generations before him by the LXX translators of Esther 8:17.\\ \\ LXX Esther 9:27\\ και εστησεν και προσεδεχοντο οι ιουδαιοι εφ εαυτοις και επι τω σπερματι αυτων και επι τοις προστεθειμενοις επ αυτων ουδε μην αλλως χρησονται αι δε ημεραι αυται μνημοσυνον επιτελουμενον κατα γενεαν και γενεαν και πολιν και πατριαν και χωραν\\ קימו וקבל היהודים עליהם ועל-זרעם ועל כל-הנלוים עליהם ולא יעבור להיות עשים את שני הימים האלה ככתבם וכזמנם בכל-שנה ושנה \\ (English Translation from LXX:) And favorably received it the Jews for themselves and for their seed, and for the ones purposed unto them to observe it nor in fact otherwise shall they treat it. And these days were a memorial being completed according to generation and generation, city, and family, and place. These “ones purposed” τοις προστεθειμενοις called הנלוים are the very same as those that previously were called περιετεμοντο by the LXX translators, which means the translators could have read הנלוים as הנמלים and still would have produced τοις προστεθειμενοις. προστεθειμενοις\\ Word: protiqemai\\ Pronounc: prot-ith’-em-ahee\\ Strong: G4388\\ Transliter: protithemai\\ middle voice from 4253 and 5087; to place before, i.e. (for oneself) to exhibit; (to oneself) to propose (determine):–purpose, set forth. G4253 G5087\\ \\ This understanding is based on the use of the word נמלים in Genesis 34:22 describing Jacob and his sons.\\ Genesis 34:22\\ אך-בזאת יאתו לנו האנשים לשבת אתנו להיות לעם אחד בהמול לנו כל-זכר כאשר הם נמלים\\ \\ So then it is entirely possible that when the LXX translators translated Esther 8:17, they understood those “circumcised” as נמלים.This isn’t eisegesis. It’s clearly seen for all that the LXX translators would have seen the הנלוים of 9:27 as the περιετεμοντο και ιουδαιζον – circumcised and living like Jews of Esther 8:17. Whether one calls this “conversion” according to modern day terminology, or “circumcision” as Paul warned certain Gentile disciples about, it doesn’t matter. The concept was well known in Paul’s day. If Paul warned the Galatian disciples to not go through “circumcision and live like Jews,” it could only have been so for a reason other than what Esther indicates was acceptable (fear of the Jews). Thus something worse than “fear of the Jews” was a reason those in Galatia, according to Paul, were pursuing conversion. Paul indicates that that “reason” was something equated to a “false gospel” and on the level of “justification.” When looking at the historical understanding of Jewish conversion, it is clear that conversion (for a time until the promotion of Noachide theology) was believed by many as the only means to enter into the World to Come – justified by Jewish identity, not by faith in the Messiah. In short, one can’t dismiss the fact that what the LXX translators understood happened in Esther 8:17, was the very same concept Paul was warning his Galatian disciples against in Galatians 2. If one believes Paul was warning his Galatian disciples against Jewish conversion, then one must also believe the LXX translators were describing that Jewish conversion was happening in Esther 8:17. If one calls it Jewish conversion in Galatians 2, then one must agree that the LXX translators would have called it conversion in Esther 8:17.http://jerusalemcouncil.org/halacha/giyur/orthodox-jewish-conversion-esther-817/"Thus," as the above continues, Esther 8:17 stands out as a legitimate example of Jewish conversion that was accepted in those days, not only by the author of the book of Esther, but by Paul and all Christians in his day, and all Jews to this day. === From Judah to Ashkenaz It is utterly vital to understand that by the time of Jesus, 1000 years after David and 700 years after the loss of Northern Israel, Judah (whose capital of Jerusalem) continued in the traditions of God and had received God's direct blessing on many occasions; * for example by continuing to receive authentic and true prophets of God, * for example by continuing to be protected by God (ex. from Haman) and to receive miracles * for example (from a solely Christian perspective) to be the chosen group of people to which Jesus appeared first We therefore //note// that no matter what happened before or what arguments would be given, it is a centrally held belief that //the Pharisees and associated other Jewish denominations at the time of the Roman occupation of Jerusalem represented the sole and true nation of Israel as appointed and sanctified by God.// === Khazars in the 8th and 9th century If we frame discussion about the Ashkenazi as an issue of race it fits in very neatly here in point #2. Sometime in the 8th or 9th century, a mass conversion of the Khazarian people to Judaism is said to have taken place. It is possible to deal with this issue very simply: * No one denies conversion to Judaism is possible (even ex. Ruth and Rahab, to give yet more examples) * No one denies a conversion took place. * No one denies the conversion was done by Jews according to Jewish law. * No one denies the former Jews ever contested the status of the converted Asheknazi. The simple fact is that the Ashkenazi converted to Judaism in much the same way as shown by the multitude out of Egypt (Exodus 12) or the woodcutters et. al or slaves of those-of-the-covenant (ex. Joshua 9:21-27), and those in Esther (Esther 8:17 and 9:27 above). And, once they had converted to Judaism they were full fledged Jews just as the Jews who had converted them. This is vital: Both the rightful historical Jews from the tribe of Judah who had descended from the rightful Jews of Judah in the time of the Romans in Jerusalem, so did these Khazars act and behave like Jews and keep the covenant and thus were rightfully accepted into Israel. And, it is interesting to state once again that //if// any of these people could be considered Edomites, it is explicitly stated by God that Edomites are not to be denied entry to the assembly, and that they are the kin of the physical seed of Abraham(!!) regardless of anything else to the contrary. Thus two important points may be concluded: - One, yes, the Ashkenazi are converts - Two, this means they are full-fledged Jews just as the Jews who converted them are and continue to be - Three, provided and solely attributable to whether or not they keep the covenant. It's also important to understand the place of the Ashkenazi Jews in the history of Judaism. Today, just as in the 8th and 9th century, there are Jews living all over the world. When the Ashkenazi converted, it did not automatically un-convert Jews living in places like Ethiopia, Yemen, Babylon(Iraq), Jerusalem, Egypt, so on and so forth. And in fact, //all of those other Jews// would have recognized the conversion as valid -- as they do even to this day. We therefore question the claim that any one can be Jewish "by race", as it seems to completely disagree with the biblical account and history of the nation of Israel -- a people whom God made at Sinai by the acceptance of a covenant. And, that based on the ecumenical authority and examples we find all over the bible (ex. the acceptable assembly, Abraham's made souls, Ruth, Esther, etc.) even if the original Abrahamites, Israelites or Hebrews were somehow a single race of people (or a majority of a single race) this form of identification quickly became obsolete. Even a moabite (Ruth) converted to Judaism and gave Israel it's greatest King -- David! This is less a conclusion than a paraphrase of the historical definition and evolution of Israel from the bible, as a group of people who kept God's covenant, and never as a race or secular nation of people. == Special proofs, claims and considerations. Special proofs and claims in support of the above. ==== Continuance of Judaism since the Roman Occupation As noted earlier, no one denies that the Jews of Jerusalem in Roman times were the continuance of the nation of Israel. There are two basic camps of people; Christians and Jews, who weigh in on this. One, the Christians are forced to admit it because Jesus appeared to these as Jews, and secondly because Jesus ordered his followers to obey the Pharisees //because// "they sit in the seat of Moses" (Matthew 23:2-3) and such an office must be obeyed by a Jew (even, irregardless of, possible hypocrisy). (As an aside please note that not all pharisees would have been hypocrites, surely the people who would have become rabbis of the next generation we would presume to have followed Jesus' teachings and not be hypocritical in their approach. This is confirmed in general by the Hillelian revivalism which shortly preceded and lasted until just after Jesus' ministry). On the hand of the Jews, all Jews who can trace their history trace it back to Judah eventually. There are no such practicing Jews in the world today who trace their identity back to Northern Israel. Thus we note that until the time of the Khazarian conversion no one denied Jerusalem was the centre of Jewish life, and since then **the existing 'other' Jews have not denied the Judaism of the Ashkenaz.** == Black Hebrew Israelites * [[Black Hebrew Israelites]] == Return of the Lost 10 Tribes Might be pertinent when discussing certain hebrew roots movements. See: [[ten lost tribes]].