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 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD3s7Hll7ag
-Sources indicate various dates for the ministry of Jesus; ex. Hohner: "Chronologial Aspects of rthe Life of Christ"
+mainly comes from Hohner, but there are issues. ex. Hohner: “Chronologial Aspects of the Life of Christ”
-Hohner holds by 33 as the date of execution.
+    John 2:23 Passover 1 (when he was in Jerusalem for the Passover passover…)
+    John 6:4 Passover 2 (Now the passover was near…)
+    John 11:55 Passover 3 (etc – “events occur”)
-* John 2:23 Passovere 1 (when he was in Jerusalem for the Passover passover...)
+Contrast: The *synoptic* gospels show only one passover before the execution. Shulman then states we prefer a 3 year ministry because it helps us move the dates towards his death at the age of 33 (Hohner). This is modern biblical scholarship.
-* John 6:4 Passover 2 (Now the passover was near...)
-* John 11:55 Passover 3 (etc -- "events occur")
-Contrast: The synoptic gospels show only one before the execution.
+Limiting Factor #1: Pilate's office in Judea was from 26 to 36. Therefore the crucifixion must have been between 26 and 36.
-Shulman states we prefer a 3 year ministry because it helps us move the dates towards his death at the age of 33.
-Pilate's office in Judea was from 26 to 36 so this is a limiting factor. It must have been between 26 and 36.
 If the execution was at 26 Jesus would have been born in 8 BC. The latest on the other hand would be 2 AD.
-However since we know Herod wanted to kill children under 2, the latest date would have been in the year Herod died (4 BC). So if we use the logical dating range and the factor of pilate, we see that Jesus has to have been born between 8 BCE and 4 BTC. //Anything outside of this causes a problem with the text of the New Testament.//
+Limiting Factor #2: Since we know Herod wanted to kill children under 2, the latest date Jesus could have been born would have been in the year Herod died (4 BC). So if we use the logical dating range and the factor of pilate, we see that Jesus has to have been born between 8 BC and 4 BC. Anything outside of this causes a problem with the text of the New Testament.
 Therefore people who argue for a late date of execution (i.e. that Jesus was executed at 33 CE then they reject that Jesus was born during 8 BCE to 4 BCE and are in conflict with the New testament.
-So we assume Jesus was 33 when he died (born in 4 BCE) and he died in 30 CE.
+From these two limiting factors we must conclude that if Jesus was 33 when he died, and born as late as possible (born in 4 BCE) he would have died in 30 CE.
-=== New Testament Chronology
+=== Limiting Factor #3 - John the Baptist Chronology
 ESV "John the Baptist Prepares the Way";
 * 3:1 In the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of the region of Ituraea and Trachonitis, and Lysanias tetrarch of Abilene,